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In 1938, you were expatriated.

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Came it as a surprise to you

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that the man who was still young

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and whose surname at birth had been Frahm

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and now called himself Brandt,
was expatriated?

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Was that not proof that the Gestapo
had very closely observed you

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and that they had registered 
precisely what you did in exile?

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I was actually surprised
that they knew so little.

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Today the documents are accessible.

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The documents for 
the expatriation process,

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which the Gestapo in Kiel had wrote down,

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were greatly inferior to what
the headquarters in Berlin knew.

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And what the German embassy 
or mission in Oslo contributed

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was rather trivial.

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So, first of all, I wondered

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why the expatriation process
was taking so long.

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I was surprised
as how effective it was,

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over the years,

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to have operated under two names.

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The first one was
the name I was born with,

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the second one was
the name I used in exile.