WEBVTT 00:00:00.630 --> 00:00:05.160 You spoke about John Foster Dulles, the US Secretary of State (1953-1959), 00:00:05.260 --> 00:00:09.000 and classified him as a "Cold War warrior". 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:10.720 Without wanting to be derogatory. 00:00:10.890 --> 00:00:13.452 I was one too. What else should I have been? 00:00:13.552 --> 00:00:17.000 That´s what I wanted to ask you without being derogatory. 00:00:19.230 --> 00:00:23.030 After all, in this respect you had a lot in common 00:00:23.190 --> 00:00:25.560 with Konrad Adenauer at that time. 00:00:26.860 --> 00:00:29.620 Of course ... 00:00:29.870 --> 00:00:34.000 the local situation plays a role in that. 00:00:34.300 --> 00:00:37.790 The experience within the Soviet zone around Berlin 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:40.460 plays a role in that too. 00:00:40.630 --> 00:00:44.760 And it plays a role the anger felt by a Social Democrat towards the fact 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.940 that a number of his friends 00:00:47.040 --> 00:00:48.920 who had been in jail under Hitler 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:50.440 were imprisoned again, 00:00:50.610 --> 00:00:54.520 because they wouldn't let themselves be brought into line by the communists. 00:00:55.120 --> 00:00:59.020 But then as one of the voices of Berlin 00:00:59.190 --> 00:01:02.520 that became the voice of Berlin during a decade ... 00:01:03.860 --> 00:01:07.360 What else could one do, I ask myself sometimes, 00:01:07.530 --> 00:01:09.660 but defend oneself vigorously? 00:01:10.620 --> 00:01:15.080 And to do one's best for the city one was in charge of? 00:01:15.250 --> 00:01:18.210 In retrospect, I know 00:01:18.370 --> 00:01:21.420 that it was understood on the Soviet side 00:01:21.590 --> 00:01:24.000 that we had taken this stance.